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casey wetherbee's avatar

Joanna, you were right that I'd enjoy this interview. I've been following Grace on social media for some time now, but I appreciated your perspective in this interview as well.

In the US, as Grace mentions here, there was a brief era following WWII in which unions had the sway to be able to advocate on workers' behalf to foster equality and collective power. The gap between corporate executives and everyday workers was smaller than ever during this time, and this was largely seen as a positive thing! I'd say the negative trend began a bit earlier than the 1980s, both on the government front (deregulation under Carter) and big business (the 1971 Lewis Powell memo). The latter, in my opinion, was more influential because it had a normative impact on our perception of free enterprise vs. collectivism — Reagan exacerbated this, of course, but the blueprint for elevating the standing of US businesses (and the extractive capitalist model in general) had been fully laid out by the 1980s. Unfortunately, they were, and still are, much better coordinated — not to mention better funded — than the movements for collectivism and equity. This is why books like Vulture Capitalism are so important, because we've essentially been brainwashed for the last 50 years about what capitalism and free enterprise are in reality, clouding our view of how capitalism actually operates in the United States and around the world.

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Patrick Muindi's avatar

A very interesting interview, Joanna. I like how Grace insists on structural changes and collective solutions. That criticism of UBI is very apt.

I think monopoly is the natural trajectory of all systems; they generally progress towards amassing power and entrenching themselves. I also think this is the trajectory of capitalism. As inequality deepens, those at the core (governments, corporations) will have to find a way to cede some power to consumers/citizens. Otherwise, the periphery will become so large and unstable such that the natural reaction will be implosion.

Communism and socialism are poor at producing; they just cannot last. Capitalism does poorly at distributing. This is a problem that can be postponed but not ignored. That time frame for postponing could be nearing its end.

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